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Post by shadowofdeath on Feb 15, 2014 10:45:49 GMT -6
There are powers the force is typically shown to convey to its weilders: telekinesis, electrokinesis, and the power of suggestion. The power of suggestion can easily be explained in real world terms as an act of hypnotic suggestion. Mastery of body language, wording, and observation will convey such a power, but what of the other two predominantly displayed powers?
I believe that if true psychokinetic powers we're achieve able it would be through a subtle act of electrokinesis, or rather magnetokinesis. How are magnets created? Most magnets on planet earth are generated in response to the flow of the magnetic field of planet earth. The process aligns the internal structure of an object so that electrons will flow through it in one direction.
So then an act of telekinesis can be explained as the temporary magnetization of an object in response to a strong magnetic field. So the next question becomes how might it be possible for a human being to control his or her own magnetic properties? Well we can consciously control the flow of electricity in our bodies simply by concentrating on certain places in our bodies, or visualizing our bodies moving, or actually moving our bodies.
In theory one thing you could do is is to wear gloves and shoes that contain magnets with poles facing the same direction. Over time those most distal of digits should become increasingly more powerful magnets which will as a result increase the electrical pressure around your hands and feet which may begin a chain reaction that allows you to exercise your electromagnetic powers until you're a walking science fiction phenomenon or may... Do something else entirely. I'll be honest, I don't always think these things through to the end but it's worth considering.
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Post by shadowofdeath on Feb 15, 2014 11:15:38 GMT -6
So the numbers I'm finding are .0000005 gauss for our magnetic field and 10-100 milivolts.
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Post by Darth Karnak on Feb 15, 2014 22:29:29 GMT -6
IT"S ALIVE!! Lol dude this site's been dead for like a year. Though on that note. One of the theory's for TK I've practiced with is the manipulation of the aura. Which depending on how you look at the aura. Is the manipulation of the electric/magnetic/etheric bodies. While I've only had varied success with this for TK. I have had lots of success using this to implant emotions and suggestions into other people's aura's as well as my own. Also in Franz Bardon's Initiation into hermetics. He poses a theory of universal electric and magnetic force's. Which I will not do the injustice of trying to explain here. Now lets see if we can revive this site.
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Post by shadowofdeath on Feb 16, 2014 12:01:58 GMT -6
It's more likely that your heavy focus on the desired emotion caused you to change your own body posture and facial expressions and the targets instincts kicked in causing him or her to mimic your posture and expressions or at the very least the associations between those postures caused them to simulate those related emotions.
Not that magnetic forces couldn't be responsible but with any kind of specific control it becomes less likely.
We should revive this site.
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Post by Darth Karnak on Feb 16, 2014 20:06:34 GMT -6
That could be the case. And it would explain the results I get form close in encounters. But a lot of my subjects and tests are in public space's. Where I try to maintain at least a fifteen to twenty foot distance. And try to influence people that aren't paying attention to me. Like trying to cause a couple to fight on the other end of a club. Or calming down the drunk guy from across the room. On the other note I see no reason we can't bring this site back to life. There are enough guests in here on any given day. If they'd just stop looking and take an active role we could get a community going again.
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Post by shadowofdeath on Feb 17, 2014 6:28:19 GMT -6
I think they're uninterested because they all have a clear vision in their mind of what they want out of a force study center and it simply isn't being provided enough.
On an emotional level why would someone want to study the force? The answer is so they can become a real life Jedi or Sith. Influencing emotions from across a crowded room is cool but it's little more than a parlour trick. Derren Brown does the same thing to entertain audiences.
The people who come here want to move objects with their minds, and generate massive amounts of electricity so that they can justify their time and efforts.
If we want to generate interests we're going to have to show that these powers are not only possible but real. So unless you can throw chairs with thought power alone this will take a lot of time and research.
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Post by Darth Karnak on Feb 17, 2014 17:41:23 GMT -6
Even if I could throw chairs around. They wouldn't believe it unless I did it in front of there eye's. And even then most still wouldn't believe. I guess all we can do is keep posting things in hope of bringing back the old members and maybe get some new one's. Oh you forgot your introduction.
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Post by shadowofdeath on Feb 17, 2014 19:28:57 GMT -6
Well introductions seem rather pointless considering the site is dead, maybe if the members come back I will introduce myself.
For now let's focus on what's important, the powers of the force. Now obviously if there's a real world equivalent to the force it's not necessarily going to work exactly like the force in the books and movies, but surely we, being two fairly intelligent and scholarly folks, can at the very least find some way to replicate force powers using technology, if not outright discover the real world equivalent of the force.
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Post by shadowofdeath on Feb 17, 2014 19:59:17 GMT -6
Let's start from the beginning, what are the basic requirements of being the force? It has to be something that the human mind and by extension the human brain can interact with that in turn can at the very least create a repelling and or attracting force. Even more ideally this force can be localized rather than simply exploding out in all directions.
Type 1 Force phenomena: explosive/implosive force triggered by conscious effort without the aid of technology.
Type 2 FP: similar to type 1 but can be localized.
Type 3 FP similar to type 1 but accompanied by electrokinetic phenomena
Type 4: combination of types 2&3
Type5: pure electrokinetic phenomena.
You could add other powers but lets not complicate matters. All forces can be reduced to four fundamental forces, two of which can be ruled out as possibilities because we aren't dealing with neutrinos or atomic nuclei and one can be ruled out considering we aren't dealing with cosmic bodies.
It therefore stands to reason that if the force exists on a macroscopic scale then it is brought about by some electro magnetic interaction.
Now, as I've stated before the body does run on electricity and we are ever so slightly magnetic, but these qualities seem to be mostly insignificant, at least our magnetic property which isn't even one millionth of a gauss.
This seems fairly problematic for our force concept so far.
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Post by shadowofdeath on Feb 17, 2014 20:03:03 GMT -6
Keeping technology in mind however there is a possibility that a procedure will be possible in the near future that transplants electrocytes into people, and by adding a few external components, we may be able to at least produce something akin to electro-magnetic powers and as I've mentioned before, telekinetic powers may not be far behind that.
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Post by Darth Karnak on Feb 17, 2014 21:27:32 GMT -6
As for the technology side of things.I think we're around twenty to fifty years off, from real cybernetics that would mimic these powers. When you take into consideration the advancements in nano tech and bio tech research. We're most likely be in the form of biotics similar to the ones you see in mass effect games and other science fiction media. I can see internal wifi implanted into the brain. That will mimic telepathy. And considering the way everything is going wireless. It will mimic TK in some aspects. Turning you car or your lights on with a thought comes to mind.
As for a real world equivalent to the force. Mystic's and sage's have been taping into it for millennium. calling it many different things, Prana, mana, chi to name a few. But if you look at all the practices from all over the world. You'll see a string of similarities. The eastern chakras and the kabbalistic middle pillar come to mind. Almost all put a importance on the breath. So going through them and experimenting with trail and error we can see what does and doesn't work. In the process we can create a system with real world value stripped of theistic over tones.
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Post by shadowofdeath on Feb 18, 2014 18:49:25 GMT -6
I'll be honest with you, the idea of combing through thousands of years worth of mystic texts ranging in utility and applicability to our cause strangely does not entice me.
Think of it this way, whatever we find that "works" may work for reasons completely unrelated to what we are looking for, such as your emotion manipulation technique. If the task of finding practical techniques among such tomes is daunting the effort of deciding why each works and whether or not it's related to our endeavor is nigh impossible. There is such a huge factor of suggestion and human error to account for in the matter.
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Post by Darth Karnak on Feb 18, 2014 20:31:46 GMT -6
True. That's why most of the techniques I use. I've made up myself with a few based off one's I've found in various books.
Before we ever get down to ether experimentation or research. We need to ask ourselves what are we looking for and what is our ultimate cause. So that we can have a base standard by which to judge any relevant data.
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Post by shadowofdeath on Feb 19, 2014 4:27:17 GMT -6
Let's start from the beginning, what are the basic requirements of being the force? It has to be something that the human mind and by extension the human brain can interact with that in turn can at the very least create a repelling and or attracting force. Even more ideally this force can be localized rather than simply exploding out in all directions. Type 1 Force phenomena: explosive/implosive force triggered by conscious effort without the aid of technology. Type 2 FP: similar to type 1 but can be localized. Type 3 FP similar to type 1 but accompanied by electrokinetic phenomena Type 4: combination of types 2&3 Type5: pure electrokinetic phenomena. You could add other powers but lets not complicate matters. All forces can be reduced to four fundamental forces, two of which can be ruled out as possibilities because we aren't dealing with neutrinos or atomic nuclei and one can be ruled out considering we aren't dealing with cosmic bodies. It therefore stands to reason that if the force exists on a macroscopic scale then it is brought about by some electro magnetic interaction. Now, as I've stated before the body does run on electricity and we are ever so slightly magnetic, but these qualities seem to be mostly insignificant, at least our magnetic property which isn't even one millionth of a gauss. This seems fairly problematic for our force concept so far. |
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Post by Darth Karnak on Feb 19, 2014 21:07:01 GMT -6
Beside's electromagnetic force. We could also consider unknown force's. Take dark energy for example. Scientists have only really started finding it/ figuring it out for the last twenty or so years. They have no idea what it is beyond it's observable affects on foreign objects. Now I doubt dark energy is the force. but it shows that we need to keep an open mind and not be bogged down in what we know or believe something to be.
It think our best bet is looking into different quantum theory's. Looking at quantum superposition and quantum entanglement. Maybe our metal energy somehow affects these things. When I look at quantum entanglement, i can't help be but notice it's similarities to sympathetic magick and magickal links.
Now while trying to quantify the force is a fine goal. We shouldn't let it distract us from using the force. And exploring it's boundaries.
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